DOTA 2 is the most well-made MOBA with the most interesting metagame. It's got the best F2P model, best support, and the best balance philosophy.League is fun and Riot puts out pretty frequent content updates, but the way they monetize their game is bad. Then there's the rigid meta, compounded by an approach to balance that's all about extreme nerfs and buffs which make one champion dominant while a bunch of others nonexistent. It just feels to me like Riot is more focused on advancing League as an esport with these huge, expensive events instead of really focusing on the core of the game. DOTA 2 is the most well-made MOBA with the most interesting metagame. It's got the best F2P model, best support, and the best balance philosophy.League is fun and Riot puts out pretty frequent content updates, but the way they monetize their game is bad. Then there's the rigid meta, compounded by an approach to balance that's all about extreme nerfs and buffs which make one champion dominant while a bunch of others nonexistent.
It just feels to me like Riot is more focused on advancing League as an esport with these huge, expensive events instead of really focusing on the core of the game.Having played LoL a few years before I switched to Dota 2, Dota 2 definitely is the higher quality product. Like you said, it's just way more interesting. Every hero has a unique feel to them, and there's just so much variety with high quality. League of Legends is clearly the winner, no other moba comes even close to LoLs success and player base.Also funny how you used a modded LoL picture with some horrible UI skin.yea because popularity means best. Just like CoD.
Yuck.pretty confident they lie about the size of their playerbase too. They've been caught twitch botting no end of times. DoTA 2's esport scene is taken far more seriously.Um yes, actually it does. If 45+ million people play a game instead of another then they obviously believe it's the better game. Pretty much all mobas are free to play, so there's no excuse why they'd play a game that they wouldn't believe is the best.And yes, the same goes for CoD, just because you and me believe the series sucks doesn't mean other people love it. If people wouldn't love the games then they wouldn't keep buying and playing them.And really?
In the USA LoL is considered a legitimate sport thanks to Riot, as stupid as I find that, I don't remember hearing the same about Dota2. Not because it has way better visuals and better gameplay (imo) than the competition, but because it does the F2P model for mobas right. I stopped playing LoL because the grind for heroes was ridiculous.
There is no way to justify locking away every hero behind a pay/grind wall and only serves to get you to spend more money. This isn't an MMO. You shouldn't have to spend an absurd amount of time before you can actually play the game.
Want to try someone? Either pray it appears on next week's free roster or play a ton of matches with characters you don't like.
Dota 2 does it right by letting you play anyone at the start and the customization options for skins/looks are far better than paying for an entire skin upfront. League of Legends is clearly the winner, no other moba comes even close to LoLs success and player base.Also funny how you used a modded LoL picture with some horrible UI skin.yea because popularity means best. Just like CoD. Yuck.pretty confident they lie about the size of their playerbase too.
They've been caught twitch botting no end of times. DoTA 2's esport scene is taken far more seriously.Um yes, actually it does. If 45+ million people play a game instead of another then they obviously believe it's the better game. Pretty much all mobas are free to play, so there's no excuse why they'd play a game that they wouldn't believe is the best.And yes, the same goes for CoD, just because you and me believe the series sucks doesn't mean other people love it. If people wouldn't love the games then they wouldn't keep buying and playing them.And really? In the USA LoL is considered a legitimate sport thanks to Riot, as stupid as I find that, I don't remember hearing the same about Dota2.Umm not it doesn't.
There is more than cost involved, there is accessibility, and foolish money/grind sinks that restrict people from switching as they feel like it. 2 large factors in LoL's success. Which its number 1 spot in US POPULATION was under question when DoTA simply had 250k concurrent users at peak. Now its up in the 800k.LoL is notorius for having bot users in their streams and tournaments. And are nowhere near as big as DoTA 2's international is now. Simply put, DoTA 2 is a better quality product, with a fairer free2play system, a much better engine. And overall better/deeper/more challenging mechanics.LoL's success rides on ASIA now for its theme and grind-aholic nature.Also.
RIOT opted for that 'sport-pass' because they kicked up a fuss due to players not being allowed into the U.S. League of Legends is clearly the winner, no other moba comes even close to LoLs success and player base.Also funny how you used a modded LoL picture with some horrible UI skin.yea because popularity means best.
Just like CoD. Yuck.pretty confident they lie about the size of their playerbase too. They've been caught twitch botting no end of times.
DoTA 2's esport scene is taken far more seriously.Um yes, actually it does. If 45+ million people play a game instead of another then they obviously believe it's the better game. Pretty much all mobas are free to play, so there's no excuse why they'd play a game that they wouldn't believe is the best.And yes, the same goes for CoD, just because you and me believe the series sucks doesn't mean other people love it.
If people wouldn't love the games then they wouldn't keep buying and playing them.And really? In the USA LoL is considered a legitimate sport thanks to Riot, as stupid as I find that, I don't remember hearing the same about Dota2.Umm not it doesn't. There is more than cost involved, there is accessibility, and foolish money/grind sinks that restrict people from switching as they feel like it. 2 large factors in LoL's success. Which its number 1 spot in US POPULATION was under question when DoTA simply had 250k concurrent users at peak. Now its up in the 800k.LoL is notorius for having bot users in their streams and tournaments.
And are nowhere near as big as DoTA 2's international is now. Simply put, DoTA 2 is a better quality product, with a fairer free2play system, a much better engine.
And overall better/deeper/more challenging mechanics.LoL's success rides on ASIA now for its theme and grind-aholic nature.Also. RIOT opted for that 'sport-pass' because they kicked up a fuss due to players not being allowed into the U.S.In lame man's term. LoL is the CoD of MOBA's, easy to get into and small learning curve. Dota is the BF of MOBA's, higher learning curve and less appeal to the 'casual' crowd.
While Dota has a lot more players than BF would ever have, in comparison to LoL fanbase it's 'miniscule.' Though there has been many reports that LoL does exaggerate their player base. You'd think if they actually had 45 million+ people playing that they would as well be able to have a better payoff for their championship tourney. League of Legends is clearly the winner, no other moba comes even close to LoLs success and player base.Also funny how you used a modded LoL picture with some horrible UI skin.yea because popularity means best. Just like CoD. Hearts of iron 4 free download. Yuck.pretty confident they lie about the size of their playerbase too. They've been caught twitch botting no end of times.
DoTA 2's esport scene is taken far more seriously.Um yes, actually it does. If 45+ million people play a game instead of another then they obviously believe it's the better game.
Pretty much all mobas are free to play, so there's no excuse why they'd play a game that they wouldn't believe is the best.And yes, the same goes for CoD, just because you and me believe the series sucks doesn't mean other people love it. If people wouldn't love the games then they wouldn't keep buying and playing them.And really? In the USA LoL is considered a legitimate sport thanks to Riot, as stupid as I find that, I don't remember hearing the same about Dota2.Umm not it doesn't. There is more than cost involved, there is accessibility, and foolish money/grind sinks that restrict people from switching as they feel like it.
2 large factors in LoL's success. Which its number 1 spot in US POPULATION was under question when DoTA simply had 250k concurrent users at peak. Now its up in the 800k.LoL is notorius for having bot users in their streams and tournaments.
And are nowhere near as big as DoTA 2's international is now. Simply put, DoTA 2 is a better quality product, with a fairer free2play system, a much better engine.
And overall better/deeper/more challenging mechanics.LoL's success rides on ASIA now for its theme and grind-aholic nature.Also. RIOT opted for that 'sport-pass' because they kicked up a fuss due to players not being allowed into the U.S.In lame man's term. LoL is the CoD of MOBA's, easy to get into and small learning curve.
Dota is the BF of MOBA's, higher learning curve and less appeal to the 'casual' crowd. While Dota has a lot more players than BF would ever have, in comparison to LoL fanbase it's 'miniscule.' Though there has been many reports that LoL does exaggerate their player base.
You'd think if they actually had 45 million+ people playing that they would as well be able to have a better payoff for their championship tourney.It's kinda funny. LoL is ALWAYS on the most-streamed game on twitch. But the comments section goes dead for hours. Look at any of the other big game's twitch comments.
They fly out constantly.Also seen lots of screen shots of the users watching and its like john, john1, johny etc is mass quantities. Its an absolute joke.45+ million players my ass.
Yes, yes, I know - 'use the search function'. It didn't allow me to select 'search only' as the option is entirely absent for me.If someone would like to link me to a search query of 'DotA 2' on this subreddit and then close this thread, that would be fine.Onto my actual topic:I first got into DotA back in the day with HoN. I played for quite awhile, but eventually stopped playing. Now I've picked DotA back up with DotA 2. I still miss HoN though - are there objective reasons that HoN is superior to DotA 2 in terms of gameplay, engine, community, or otherwise? Is the game still alive and well; could I find a match in a decent amount of time?I'm not sure if it's just nostalgic thoughts, but I remember HoN 'feeling' a lot tighter and more responsive than DotA 2 does now.
It also feels like the camera is more zoomed in for DotA 2 compared to HoN. Both of these things give the game a more cramped, sluggish feeling.So what's the word? Is it worth returning to HoN?Again, please pardon the topic as I'm sure it's been asked a thousand times but I wasn't able to perform a proper search. Well as you see I've played a lot of dota games and I was just looking for something different.I run linux also and Heroes of Newerth has a linux client so I thought I might as well check it out (compared to LOL that doesn't).I haven't switched. I'm happy playing on average now - 1 game of HoN and 1 game of Dota a day. I also prefer the length of HoN games (typically 30 mins) to Dota 2 because since 6.83 comeback mechanics it seems every Dota match goes late game.
I've not yet lost a match as spectre (arguably one of the best late game heros) whereas my most played hero (Earth Spirit) drops off late game so early game heros no longer seem that viable in the current patch.I will say I find HoN heroes to have some really interesting hero's/spells/skills and for the most part I think that HoN looks aesthetically better. I think Dota does a better job of differentiating the spells so you have a clear idea of what spells are coming out. I may just need more HoN games to adjust. I'm surprised only one of these comments actually gives a decent reply.I have played lots of games in both Dota 2 and Hon. I appreciate both games but personally I enjoy the fluidity on HoN better.
Its more a matter of personal preference but I think the engine in HoN is much more fluid and with lesser cast times and what not, the game has a much more fluid fast paced feel. In addition to that, I also think you run in to less weird glitches and personally find spell affects to be more distinct to indicate whats going on.
Of course you still see the funny glitches like a pebbles toss and a gauntlet hook occurring at the same time and you see the target teleport, but I've seen weird interactions with cogs from clock-work and what not. I think there's less of that sort of strange glitch occurring in HoN than in DotA2 (but again that may be a personal confirmation bias).The biggest thing is the pace of the game caused by spell cast times + turn rate, HoN inherently feels faster. I generally play USE or USW. I guess I have seen the influx of Brazilians.
I personally don't think there's much of a problem but I'm also very easy going. I think it really becomes a problem with stubborn people who want to call lanes etc and people don't want to cooperate.
Generally I'll do my own thing and if there's someone I don't like I just don't say anything. Problems don't really escalate when people are talking to a mute.Edit: that said, I also won't Afk jungle all game since I know that's just going to escalate the problem when the team gets pissed only they are dying, And you're not dying with them.
Hon Vs Dota 2 Vs Lol
A toxic game is toxic, all you can do is try not to escalate it and let it blow over. If people are unhappy they'll concede, but if they're unhappy and angry they'll troll and waste time. Nobody can objectively tell you if the gameplay is better in HoN or Dota because that's simply personal preference.Most comparisons online are a couple years old and talk about, for example, better netcode in HoN, which certainly is objective. I figured many players have played both and would be willing to give their opinions. I was hoping to get some up to date information.Why not just download HoN and give it another go? Well, why waste the time if people say there isn't much difference?
If there's a compelling reason given by other players then it would be more tempting. Yeah, it's FREE, I get it. Apk mifare classic clone edition. Is there that much harm in asking people for their opinions between the game without getting absurd backlash from people like Subversive1911?
Heaven fucking forbid I look for some input. I haven't seen any complaints about Dota 2 netcode since it left beta. It's Source, after all, which also runs CS:GO.
Valve knows how to write proper netcode for a competitive game.The main difference between the two engines is the turn rate, acceleration, and animations are all slower in Dota 2. It makes it feel a little less responsive, which some people don't like. HON also tends to play faster, both in terms of game and fight length. It hard to say if that's objectively better or not though. You'd have to try both and see which you like.